Author: Bob Yearick

Erstwhile News Journal columnist Al Mascitti continues to stir the political pot as morning talk-show host on WDEL

Al Mascitti has come full circle. Years ago, when he wrote restaurant reviews for The News Journal, a local steakhouse owner threatened to shoot him after Mascitti averred that steak was the only edible item on the restaurant’s menu. Recently, a caller to his talk show on WDEL 1150 AM challenged Mascitti to meet “face to face” to settle their dispute over labor unions.

“I hung around here for an hour waiting for him,” says the 52-year-old Mascitti. “He didn’t show.”

The potential confrontation was a sign of how Mascitti’s 9 a.m.-to-noon gig has evolved. When he began hosting the show two years ago (while still writing his political column for the Journal), he was somewhat tentative, or at least tentative in comparison to his bulldog print style. But as his radio chops developed, the decibel level has increased, and he has even banned a caller or two.

Mascitti’s tougher stance is reminiscent of the no-holds-barred columns he wrote for The News Journal, first on restaurants, and later on the local and state political scene. The Philadelphia native has lived in Delaware since graduating from UD in 1973, and he knows its politics and people as well as anyone. He offered some spot-on insights on a wide range of subjects during an interview in the WDEL studios.

Since this is our 20th anniversary issue, tell us what you were doing back in 1988.

I would have been a features reporter at The News Journal. I’m not sure what I was covering besides the restaurant beat. That was only ever half of the job. I did two restaurant columns a week. Sometimes I also did food articles, sometimes I did music. There was always a second part to the job, but I was in the features department.

The Al Mascitti Show has been on the air for a little over two years now. What are your thoughts on how the show has evolved?

A lot of it has to do with me learning to work in a different medium. With interviews or journalism, there’s a lot of smelting the metal from the ore. You do a lot of work getting the actual material you can use out of the dross of a long interview process. Whereas in radio, the interview is the process. So you can’t spend time establishing rapport with the person as you might do in a print interview where you have an unlimited amount of time. With radio it’s very bang, bang, bang. I’m still learning the ropes, really. It’s going to be a while before—well, if I last that long—before I get really good at it. At this point it’s still a discovery process. It took me a long time to be an effective print journalist, [and] I don’t doubt that it’s going to take me a long time to learn how to do this effectively, too.

So are you in this for the long haul?

Don’t know. It’s up to them. [But] I don’t see a whole lot of jobs opening up in the journalism field these days. I think print journalism is going through a tremendous upheaval, and not for the good. I love the way print—especially daily newspapers—are embracing the technology, but it’s very troubling to see that they are not beefing up their reporting staffs. Nor do I ever expect them to. They’re operating it like some sort of zero-sum game. Rather than forego certain profit levels in order to bolster their business for the long haul, they’re trying to do both at the same time. I think they’re going to end up without a loaf at all.

What do you miss about being a newspaper columnist?

[Long pause] Do I miss anything? Not really. I pretty much ended up doing that ’cause it seemed like the only thing worth doing at the newspaper. I had tried everything else. It turned out to be not so great either. [Laughs]

Why was it “not so great”?

Too many cooks. Too many people telling me, “You can’t do this, you can’t do that.” And after I’d gone through several years of being told things I couldn’t do, then they told me things they wanted me to do, which boiled down to “It’s not an opinion column, it’s a reporting column.” This was a different editor. When I first took the job, I said, “Listen, I’m not taking this job if it’s a glorified reporting job. If I’m going to be a reporter, I’d rather [be called] a reporter.” So when the new guy wanted it to be all reporting, forget that, I’m not doing that.

I think I’ve heard you say you received more criticism when you were a food critic than when you had your political column. Is that right?

Oh, sure. For one thing, every place you’re reviewing is somebody’s livelihood. And no one wants to be told their taste is not great. The thing I found hardest for most restaurants was to find anything that was actually distinguishing about them.

Did you ever receive threats?

Sure. [A restaurant owner] threatened to shoot me.

Did you take it seriously?

No, I never took any [of that kind] of stuff seriously.

What about your political column? You were pretty tough on Tom Gordon [former New Castle County executive] and Sherry Freeberry [his chief administrative officer].

When I was printing all kinds of stuff about Gordon and Freeberry I used to go out and have lunch with them about once a month. They would try to convince me that they were great people and I should support them, and I saw things the wrong way and I had them all wrong.

Ever get any threats from them?

No. [Pauses] Well, it depends on what you mean by threats. I know that they went in behind my back and talked to the public editor and tried to have me banned from ever writing about them again. This was all while they were being very nice to me to my face. Two-facedness doesn’t disturb me that much; I’ve come to expect it. If you’re at all interested in politics, you pretty much expect everyone to be, minimum, two-faced. Some are three- or four-faced.

I lose my temper sometimes on the air, especially when politicians call in to debate me. Which I don’t have a problem with if they’re going to be honest debaters, but if they call in with a line of b.s., then I lose my temper. I rarely schedule politicians as guests because I assume they are going to at best prevaricate to make their points, and some will just downright lie. And I really don’t feel like parsing through the crap politicians say. If I could just put them on hold and then give the translated version of what they’re trying to say, it would maybe work out better, but people who are going to come on and spout off some talking point that they’ve sat around and brainstormed to get exactly the way they want, no. People are too busy to listen to that stuff and life is too short.

Like trying to talk with [State Senator] Harris McDowell about energy in the state. I mean, everybody knows the guy is very tightly allied with Delmarva and Conectiv and with every power company we’ve ever had here. I recognize the actions of somebody flailing about for a rationalization for ideas that have their own genesis and their own reasons for being. When a newspaper reporter interviews them, that reporter is obligated to write down crap that he says even though they know it’s a lie and to not correct it. Our news programs, the people interviewing them can’t say, “I’m sorry, Sen. McDowell, that’s a lie, that’s a load of hooey.” Can’t say that. This is one of the things that has destroyed our political discourse. It’s now completely by the book to let somebody get on TV or radio or in the newspaper and just spout off their—I don’t even like to call it their version of truth. They know damn right well it’s not the truth. It might be their point of view, but it’s not the truth.

I’m just gonna skip all that crap and just say, “Here’s what’s goin’ on.”

What are your thoughts on the future of newspapers?

You mean the print version or newspapers as information-gathering outlets?

Both.

Well, see, it behooves them to get people off the “dead-tree edition” as soon as they can because there’s a lot of cost involved in killing the trees, putting ink on them and then getting them to your door. Twenty years from now, I have no doubt that there will be some rudimentary form of the print version, but I don’t know that it’ll be a daily thing. Twenty years from now, I imagine it’ll be more an electronic thing than a print thing. The danger for newspapers is that they’re selling two different things. They’re selling a product to readers that bears no relationship to what they’re selling to advertisers. So what you see, particularly at a Gannett paper like [The News Journal], is a lot of thought put into the advertising system that they’ve got…Now, the whole newsroom is doing something from a profit-centered perspective that is a cost. The way to make the most money with a newspaper is fill the editorial columns for nothing and charge for the ads. Unfortunately, what they’re doing now is spending a lot of money to fill those editorial columns, and they have a smaller and smaller share of the ad market. That’s unsustainable.

You mean the print version or newspapers as information-gathering outlets?

Well, see, it behooves them to get people off the “dead-tree edition” as soon as they can because there’s a lot of cost involved in killing the trees, putting ink on them and then getting them to your door. Twenty years from now, I have no doubt that there will be some rudimentary form of the print version, but I don’t know that it’ll be a daily thing. Twenty years from now, I imagine it’ll be more an electronic thing than a print thing. The danger for newspapers is that they’re selling two different things. They’re selling a product to readers that bears no relationship to what they’re selling to advertisers. So what you see, particularly at a Gannett paper like [The News Journal], is a lot of thought put into the advertising system that they’ve got…Now, the whole newsroom is doing something from a profit-centered perspective that is a cost. The way to make the most money with a newspaper is fill the editorial columns for nothing and charge for the ads. Unfortunately, what they’re doing now is spending a lot of money to fill those editorial columns, and they have a smaller and smaller share of the ad market. That’s unsustainable.

Let’s talk politics. Who’s the man for the Republicans now that Alan Levin is out of the race for governor? Mike Protack?

No, they will never accept Protack. I don’t know. If Terry Spence does it, his career is over. In fact, [that applies to] anybody who holds elective office. Terry Spence would have to give up running for re-election to run for governor. Same with Charlie Copeland. That’s why he won’t do it. I think the same for John Still. Which means, I think [News Journal columnist] Ron Williams was right; I think they’ll get Judge [William Swain] Lee to go to bat for them—strictly as a sacrificial lamb. They don’t have the money, they don’t have the time, and they certainly don’t have the organization.

(After a brief discussion of Lee’s age—72—relative to presidential candidate John McCain, who’s 71): Keep in mind the strain of being governor is not exactly the strain of being president. If you need an argument for how light a job the governor’s job is, just take a look at the one we’ve got now. She did nothing for four years.

On the Democratic side, do you like John Carney or Jack Markell?

Markell.

Why’s that?

I know him better. He’s coming in from outside politics. He ran for treasurer just so he could familiarize himself with politics. And even better, given that the party has lined up solidly behind Carney, if Markell can be elected, he will not owe much to the usual pillars of the party, which in this state boils down to unions.

What do you think Markell’s chances are?

I’d like to say they’re 50-50; I’m not sure they’re that good; maybe 55-45. Let’s put it this way: I know where Carney’s votes are coming from. They’re coming from [party] stalwarts. Markell’s are coming from real people. It’s the same reason I like Obama better than I like Hillary. We’re coming up on a very precarious time in public policy, where the revenue stream that we’ve got and the expenses we’ve got are on differing inclines. I don’t necessarily say our revenue streams are shrinking—other than the lotteries—but the growth simply can’t keep pace with the growing expenses of government. It’s been 10 years since we’ve doubled the budget in this state. It’s insane.

Markell and I had these conversations back to I think the first year I was writing the column and I was first tumbling to the fact that Gordon and Freeberry were not the unalloyed force for good that they advertised themselves. They would talk about things like running government as a business, which is ironic considering they had both been on the public payroll their entire lives. You know, they went to Wilmington College, so somebody thought they knew something about business. I wrote a column saying this is a bunch of crap; you can’t run a government like a business. The things that lose you the most money in government are the very things that you have to keep going. You can’t just get rid of welfare because it’s an underperforming asset the way you would if it was a division of your business. I had devoted only a sentence or two in the column to this and I got a long letter from Jack Markell saying that after one year in office he had come to the same conclusion. That he went into government thinking he could bring business principals to bear on government. After one year in government he saw that no, he couldn’t, because the very things that cost you the most money are the very things you have very little control over. The idea that can lead you to things like the psychiatric center mess that we’ve got, the prison healthcare mess that we’ve got. If you look at these things with a bottom-line mentality, yeah, you can save a million dollars in there someplace, but in all likelihood it’s going to lead to a great deal of human suffering. And this is not the way we expect our government to work—at least if you’re not one of these libertarian Republicans, that’s not the way you expect it to work.

What are your thoughts on Carney?

For all I know, John Carney would make a great governor. I just don’t know him as well. I have a friend who works for him who tells me he’s a great guy and I believe him. Let’s keep in mind here that the General Assembly has reasserted its authority and the governor ran the state up until this one, but I don’t think this one [did]. The late Jim Vaughn and Thurman Adams were more in control of the state than the governor was. Look at what she came into office on: She wanted to put a reading specialist in every elementary school. That’s a fairly modest goal for a state senator, let alone a governor. She just had no agenda; it was really a caretakership. It’s gonna be tough for whoever [succeeds Minner]. It’s gonna be like Chris Coons [New Castle County executive]. You’re stuck holding a smelly bag and it’s going to be hard to turn that into something that smells sweet enough to get you re-elected.

So what’s the answer? Increased taxes?

Let’s see, what was there? Seven times in [Gov. Tom] Carper’s eight years in office they cut taxes just slightly. Could it possibly be that maybe we should have only cut them six times during those eight years? Now, technically, we’d be increasing taxes, but maybe we’re just rejiggering them because we cut them too much.

The crap Republicans say about this is just wildly off-base, and keep in mind it’s all been market-tested to make sure it will fly in exactly the terms they use. That’s why we have a “death tax,” not an “estate tax,” because when we called it an estate tax, which is precisely what it is, it gave people the idea that only rich people paid it. But it didn’t scare people enough, and Republicans don’t operate without fear, so they called it a death tax, implying that you couldn’t die unless you paid it. I got news for you: If that’s really the way the death tax worked, they’d never collect a cent; no one would ever die if they could get away with living forever just by not paying a tax. They lie, and they lie knowingly to try to get people to do something it’s not in their best interest to do.

Getting back to Carper: You’re not a big fan of him as a governor?

No, and I’m even less a fan of him as a senator. But I should say I have met Sen. Carper in private situations and I have seen him a couple of times do things that show me his heart and interpersonal relationships—I don’t think it’s phony. I’ve seen him do things that could not have gained him anything on the political level, but he was a mensch for doing it. However, that said, it’s Republican light, working hand in glove with business. I mean, essentially, Clintonian politics boils down to trying to convince these people, “We’re better for business to work with because we’re not as crazy as those Republicans. As far as giving you corporations what you want, we’re there for you.” I happen to think corporations are the most destructive force in American society.

How about the presidential race. Who’s going to get the Republican nomination?

Well, this week it looks like McCain. I think it probably will be McCain.

You also do not like Hillary. Is that the visceral kind of hatred that many people can’t articulate, or…?

Oh, I feel that, too. [Laughs] I think she could be a perfectly decent president, but it’s just that it’s backward-looking [to elect her]. Don’t get me wrong; it’ll be great for radio talk-show hosts if she gets elected because that will keep the Republican conservative fires stoked. I heard one talking head over the weekend who quipped that the Republicans had found a candidate who could unite them all: Hillary Clinton. I’m not looking forward to the re-run.

Who’s your candidate?

Who’s my candidate? I like Obama. Mainly because, as I’ve said a number of times on the air, I think that people don’t look at policy proposals. Who’d be foolish enough to pick a candidate based on their healthcare proposal? Nobody’s healthcare proposal is going to get through Congress unscathed. The tiny differences in what they’re all proposing are meaningless. People base their vote on personality, and in most cases, not the candidate’s real personality but his perceived personality. I think a lot of people are projecting things onto Obama that aren’t really there, but that’s what they did to John Kennedy, too, and to an extent that’s what the people who supported him did with Ronald Reagan. All the things they were making up about these people were false, but the change in their attitude that came about because of their election was true. People really did feel more optimistic…that’s gotta be worth something. Anyway, I’m not sure Obama would make a good president but I think his election would be so good that I don’t care.

What do you think Obama’s chances of being elected are? When people go into the voting booth, all alone with themselves and their prejudices, are they going to be able to overcome those prejudices and pull the lever for a black president?

I have no idea. It wouldn’t stop me, but it’s very hard to imagine what other people’s prejudices are like. I know what mine are like. Mine are very deeply seated against George Bush. I looked at George Bush and I saw a spoiled rich kid. I went to school with enough spoiled rich kids to know what they’re like. Everyone else saw a guy it would be fun to have a beer with, but I saw a guy who would pants the weakest kid in gym class. I saw a bully. He never fooled me for a second. Visceral nausea.

You’ve described yourself as liberal, but you seem to be more centrist. True?

Probably. I’m not very eager to find a label for myself. It seems like a waste of time. I just say I’m a liberal to short-circuit what conservatives might spend their time trying to prove otherwise. People call up and say, “You don’t like Hillary, so you’re a misogynist.” OK, I’m a misogynist. Now let’s move on. If I don’t like [state representative] Hazel Plant, I’m a racist. OK, I’m a racist. Now let’s move on. I’m not going to apologize for what I think about these people. That doesn’t really seem to be worth arguing about—what my personal characteristics are.
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